A question that has been debated passionatley over drinks MANY MANY times,
who is the greatest? to start things off I will post an email which i recently recieved from H-town.
Kobe, MJ, Lebron - (no videos of Oscar so you can't say too much - Magic and Basketball Jesus, they are just underneath due to the lack of physical attributes)
3 (arguably) greatest games -
*Jordan dropping 63 on the Celtics in second season during playoffs (40+ the next game - Jordan averages 40+ this series)
*Kobe Bean dumping 81 on Raptors (2 rebounds no assists from memory....... .....)
*James dropping 45 on the Pistons in the playoffs (the game he gets like 30 in a row of the cavaliers points)
Watch all three of them and tell me which one impresses you more.
Now watch the playoff games of Chicago v Pistons when they get knocked out 3 years straight, LA Lakers when Kobe gets knocked out by Suns and then Celtics, Cleveland when they lose to Detroit (skip a year) then Orlando.
Which one impresses you more...?
Now welcome to the conversation.
JORDAN is ridiculous. You see him trying everything to get that W.... just not enough with Scottie young and playing like a woman. LeBron is also ridiculous transition game. But when it bogs down.........
Also you need to watch the 63 to get a true impression of....WTF is going on. This is against the eventual Champions Celtics who lost the finals the year before, won the finals the year before, Bird in the peak of his power, Mchale at the peak of his power (that is two automatic 20-25+ scorers), Vinnie Johns, the Chief - celtics team was ridiculous...
Also Jordan 25's are SICK.. the thick tongue sticking out is f'ing pimp as sheet.
H-Town - Knockin' Your Heels Off (twenty nine, nine babeh)
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
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is it possible to rank the best NBA players, even across eras?
what are the criteria?
Longevity – To be considered one of the top NBA players of all-time, a player must have at least 12 years in the NBA. This time span shows that a true star could perform well when young and at least a couple of years into his thirties, when most players begin to decline.
All-around statistics – The best NBA players of all-time shine in virtually every statistical category.
NBA titles – The greatest NBA players of all-time win NBA titles. Their surrounding cast is irrelevant, because truly great players bring out the best in their teammates.
Intangibles – Intangibles include how unstoppable a player would be in any era and the player’s ability to take over a game on any night under even adverse circumstances.
1. Michael Jordan – Our greatest NBA player of all-time, Michael Jordan, is nearly perfect in all four of our criteria for ranking the greats. In 15 NBA seasons, Jordan led the NBA in many of our key statistical categories at one time or another. Jordan’s stats are uncanny:
30 points
6 rebounds
5 assists
2.3 steals
50% FG
84% FT
3-time NBA MVP
Jordan led his Chicago Bulls to 6 NBA titles, including many memorable performances when he was sick and when teams double- and triple-teamed him. Jordan could destroy defenses with the 3-point shot or he could leap over 7-foot defenders for crazy slam dunks. Michael Jordan could do anything he wanted on virtually any night. No other player can say this.
2. Oscar Robertson – If Oscar Robertson had been a little better shooter and won a few more titles, he would finish in a virtual tie with Michael Jordan on our Top 3 NBA Players of All-time list.
The Big O is the only player, other than LeBron James who is too young to qualify for our all-time NBA players list, to average better than 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists per game in a career. Of course, Robertson is most known for averaging a triple-double in one season and missing by one-tenth of a rebound per game in another season. Robertson’s career stats, though, are something to behold:
25.7 points
7.5 rebounds
9.5 assists
44% FG
84% FT
1-time NBA MVP
In terms of NBA titles, Oscar Robertson was far less prolific than Jordan, although Robertson did lead his team to one title. Considering intangibles, Robertson didn’t have MJ’s flamboyance, but Robertson’s size and agility made him nearly impossible to defend one-on-one.
3. Larry Bird – No all-time NBA players list would be complete without a player from the storied Boston Celtics. It may surprise people that it is Larry Bird who makes our list, instead of Bill Russell or Bob Cousy. Although we strongly considered both Russell and Cousy, these two greats just didn’t meet each of our criteria, and Larry Bird does. Consider Bird’s statistics:
24 points
10 rebounds
6 assists
50% FG
89% FT
1.7 steals
3-time NBA MVP
Bird played 13 NBA seasons and left at the top of his game. He led his Boston Celtics to three NBA titles. As far as intangibles go, Larry Bird had a few. Unlike many players his size (6-9, 230), Bird could post up even the best and biggest defenders, but he could also pop outside the 3-point arc and crush teams with his amazing shooting.
Although he shot just 38% from behind the arc, Bird was considered the best pure shooter of his time and one of the greatest shooters in history. Plus, Bird, like Michael Jordan, had more killer instinct than anyone. He was notorious for telling opponents he was going to beat them. Then, he did it, making Larry Bird one of the top 3 NBA players of all-time.
http://basketball.suite101.com/article.cfm/top_nba_players_of_all_time#ixzz0gWTToPth
If great stats and titles make you the best ever, than Jordan holds second fiddle to Bill Russell. He of 11 titles in 13 seasons! 8 in a row! Russell was also a 5 time MVP.
Or take Oscar Robertson who almost averaged a triple double for his career. A triple double in points, assists, and rebounds are one of the most coveted achievements in basketball. He did average a triple double in one season and just decimal points away from doing it 3 years in a row.
I am a huge Michael Jordan fan but I also am an NBA fan. All things considered there was not anyone more dominant than Wilton Norman Chamberlain. The numbers don’t lie. He was and always will be one of kind! Michael Jordan was 1 in a million, Wilt is 1 in a trillion.
Oh and the urban legend that Wilt was 9 feet taller than everyone else is absurd. For example Russell was just shy of 6′11″ and wilt was 7′ 1″. Wow a whole 2 inches. Beside if you want to factor height advantage in Jordan was an average of 4″ taller than his guard counterparts.
Consider also concerning the big man “lie”. During Wilt’s career he was 1 of 7 of the top rebounders in NBA history. The notion that Wilt Chamberlain played against inferior talent is absurd.
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